[Minutes, Quorum of Twelve] Meeting in the Council house Tuesday, 8 Nov[embe]r. 1847 11" AM
The Twelve & Hi[gh] Council [met & o]pened with prayer by Aaron Johnson-
Pres[iden]t. Young stated the case of Wilber J. Earl collecting tax from Alexander-[T]here is no necessity of any hard feelings or difficulty betwe[e]n [the] two men-
Randolph Alexander-[B]efore Earl went to meet the Pioneers I tho[gh]t. I must settle with him for Guard tax-I saw [that] Fat[her]. Cutler agreed to let my house go-[with the] balance to go to [the] benefit of [the] Pioneers-I tho[ugh]t. all was right until Potter & Earl came to levy on my Cattle-Potter took them away.
Alpheus Cutler-Alexander wanted to sell his hay & other things-[and to] pay Guard tax & tithing & [the] balance [to] go to [the] Pioneers-[We] found there was a difficulty & I wo[ul]d. not do any thing with it /Xc/. I told you to hold on until you saw Bishop Whitney-I mistrusted there was a dissatisfaction-I tho[ugh]t. if we co[ul]d. get the house, it wo[ul]d. do for a Widow-& I said if any or the whole was to go to the Pioneers, I said it was going to a good [?].
Newel K. Whitney-[T]he tithing & tax makes nearly [$]24.00-the house was unfinished-
I saw it & the hay. /[T]hey said/ [it was] about 10 tons-I tho[ugh]t. not more than 6 or 7 tons there. I left it with Father Cutler-Tithing, [$]15.75), /Police, [$]7.69), total/[:] [$]23.44.
Porter[:] I handed the paper to Alexander-
B. Young reads the first paper-
Porter[: T]hat is as I understood it-
Whitney[:] I believe that paper was made out after the agreement-[I]t reads in the past [tense]-instead of the future-thats a mistake-
Porter-Alexander says he is calculating to turn out his house & hay to pay tax & tithing-I immediately drew out that paper-that was the calculation-& I tho[ugh]t. Fat[he]r. Cutler & the Bish[o]p wo[ul]d. settle with Earl-
B. Young-I want to find out what should prompt men to go & levy on 2 Milch cows for [$]7.69-drive them away & refuse Alexander the use of those cows-
Wilber J. Earl-I understood that Alexander had 16 head of cattle & if I co[ul]d. get a Cow it wo[ul]d. please me well. I believed he had not made a full return of his property-Alexander told me he had rather settle with me than Cutler or Whitney-[H]e told a falsehood to me-I did believe that Alexander was going to go across the River & apostatize-& that was the reason he was prohibited crossing the river. I agreed to give Alexander [$].20 a bushel for turnips-& 3 bits for buck Wheat-
Porter told me to write the attachment, which I did. I agreed to take 5 bush turnips [for $]1.00, the rest in buck wheat-
Porter[: T]hat is correct as far as I know-
Stout-I understood that all were agreed & regulated about Earl being paid in Buck Wheat & Turnips-& now I want to know why this whine of running to bro. Brigham about it.
Alexander[:] I went there in order to get my Cattle into my own possession-
Stout[:] I verily believed Alexander was going to slide & that he did not care about slipping either [blank] Brigham or Joseph into the neck-& we wo[ul]d. do nothing with them-[I]t is an insult to us-
Joseph Young[:] I dont believe he was going to apostatize.
H. C. Kimball-[N]ot until he got over the river.
Joseph-I told him to go with the blessing of God-[H]e is an upright, honest man & a good one-
Stout-[H]e had succeeded in making us believe it-[H]e had the symptoms if not [the] disease-[I]t is our business to watch for iniquity.
Brigham-[A]nd reprove at the Ferry-
B. Young-[T]his is not come in the form of a trial-[T]his amounts precisely to all difficulties & [is] similar to the man & wife parting because one says it is a rat, the other a mouse-
Alexander supposed that house & hay wo[ul]d. pay tax & tithing-[H]e co[ul]d. not run away with a doz[en] loads of Pumpkins & Turnips-I believe it is a jealousy. [H]ardly a man can go to Missouri without the hoot of apostacy following him-I want this jealousy done away with-[I]f any thing, over paying tax & tithing-give it away to the Pioneers. I have as much confidence in all the Police & bro Alexander-I dont know an harder working man or [a] more upright [man] than Randolph Alexander-I said bro Alexander here s the money, go & pay the debt & say no more about it.
[T]here is not a man that can raise his two bushels of buck wheat a day-yet the police can get three a day. I say [$].50 a bushel for Buck wheat is enough to pay the police-[I]f one has no confidence in another, he will screw-the devils get[s] in. I am willing to buy a many more niggers at [$]8.00 a piece-but I want confidence, honesty, & uprightness to increase. I dreamt I dismissed all [?] last night. I dont want men in Israel to treat each other as enemies-It is not right for me to suffer bickerings in each others. I wo[ul]d. trust Hosea Stout with all I have got-[W]hen we leave this place I trust we shall be able to live unmixed with the Gentiles, love virtue & righteousness & maintain it-[I]f there is a lack of confidence, regain it. Where Wagons & cattle are going to apostatize I wont let them apostatize-but those who brought them here may apostatize, & go to the Devil-[A]ll have told the truth-[B]rother Wilber wanted a cow-he ought to have one, & clothing & things to make him comfortable. [H]e is faithful-no man has done any wrong designedly-I have never known bro. Alexander to do any thing without asking council-I know brother Whitney s worth, he is a careful, prudent man-I said go & pay the debt but I wanted this thing talked over-& keep the Devil out of Door-I want it understood that those men have tried to do right-I will take the things & settle the debts. Now is the time to reap the reward-I say the laboring /man/ shall be paid a good price for his labor-a farmer for his grain-[T]here shall be an equilibrium & all shall be happy-[A]ll shall know me in this Church, or they shall put me out of my place & put another man in-I am willing to share with all men-[L]ast Winter I spent more to support the Widows than all the Bishops put together-[W]e shall always be poor until we can deal in righteousness-
N. K. Whitney[:] I am slow to shoot, but when I shoot I shoot correct[ly]-(Brigham[:] that s correct) I never stood in any gap.-
B. Young[: M]y decision is "go & sin no more-" All I wanted is to remove prejudices from the minds of all-
Joseph Young enquired upon what principle is the tithing.
O. Hyde-[T]hose who co[ul]d. pay 1/10 & /pay it/ pay it here-[T]hose who can pay more-pay it-[T]hose who can only pay 1/20, pay it-[T]ake it to [the] ferry & it will be ferried free-[W]hat I have done I have done in the integrity of my heart & for the best interests of the people. When I came home I found a Storm brewing at the point & the Agent wo[ul]d. back him up-[A]ll were afraid of the Agent yet I went to the nest & to melt them down-I would sooner pay the old apostate [$]100. out of my own pocket-did do it. & I returned the Waggon if I had not done it the brethren might have come into a storm of mobocracy & if it had not been done might have cost more-
B. Young-[Y]ou have done the very best you could-I have not the least fault to find. [I]f any one says the Pioneers stole Iron I will settle the hash with him, & if Major Miller attempts to stick his fingers in this place I ll lay him cold. I am righteously angry with it-I am perfectly satisfied with brother Hyde s course-[I]t is not their prerogative to interfere with what we do-but those very agents would smuggle away every horse we have. I always said /I was/ brother Hyde /of and/ was here, for he would do all correct-I tell you Gentlemen, the more we succumb to those agents the more they will ride over you-
O. Pratt. ["]I motion that the council return their thanks to brother Hyde for his strict attention to all duties with all offenders of the law." All rise up, & return thanks, & afterwards by the uplifted hand. Alpheus Cutler sec[onde]d. & carried-
B. Young[:] I am perfectly willing to adjourn this meeting until tomorrow morning at 9 oclock-
O. Hyde then read a letter from Dr. D. Roberts at Garden Grove.
El[der] O Hyde returned his thanks for the vote-[?] him strict & conscientious-& am satisfied-& participate in
your joy. I now offer a vote of thanks from the bottom of my heart /to my brethren/ for finding us a place in the Rocky mountains-
B. Young[:] I accept the same with thankfulness-
Adjourned at 10 min[utes] past 2-till 9 tomorrow A.M.
Meeting in Pres[iden]t. Young s house, Monday, 8 Nov[ember]. 1847 5 P.M. Present[:] B[righam]. Young, [Heber C.] Kimball, [Orson] Hyde, [Orson] Pratt, [Willard]
Richards, [George A.] Smith, [Ezra T.] Benson, Joseph Young, T[homas] Bullock.
Pres[iden]t. Young[: W]e have found a place where we can shut out all mercantile communications with the world-[The] valley is ab[ou]t [the] size of Hancock Co[unty].
E. T Benson[:] "I motion that instructions be sent to the Captain of the Guard to clear the City of all Omahas & keep them out-["] O Hyde sec[onde]d. [It was] carried.
[A n]otice was written-[and] signed by W Richards-taken & delivered by T. B. B. Young[:] I want the Council of the Twelve, & the Seventies-the leading Bishops & others to go next Spring.
[At] 6.20, W[ilford] Woodruff came in.
B. Young wants 30 good teams to go to Green River, or as far as they can, then turn back to W[inter]. Q[uarters]. before Winter.
O. Pratt[: T]here will be an over plus of grain /(Salt Lake)/ there very soon.
B. Y.[:] I have 16 teams gone over the mountains & only 2 [?] gone-the rest have gong to help the poor. 100s. of teams will come next Spring to help others over-I am not going to hire any one, or promise them any grain-
O. Hyde[:] When we get over there-I suppose good men will be our treasure & riches-
B. Y[:] If any man will set me & my family over in that valley & find me provisions until we can grow it-I am willing he should take every dollar I have got-
H C K[:] I dont think that it is wisdom to vacate this place-[I]f we vacate-the Omahas wo[ul]d. come in-& the Sioux wo[ul]d. come & burn it up-
O. H.[:] The Omahas dare not come on the other side-[T]here is less damage /there/ than here.
B. Y.[:] I am in favor of vacating this place-& the brethren draw their houses over the River-I shall not leave the mill here-
H C K[:] The way will be opened & we ll get over in the Spring as slick as a pin. I motion that we vacate this place in the Spring-E. T. Benson seconded-Carried-& all go West.
Jos Young[: T]he United tribe of Indians wrote to bro. Dana to select [a] School teacher, mill wright, Blacksmith, & those officers that they need-(Oneida, Delaware, Stockbridge,[)]
O. H.[:] The Government have allowed them their choice.
Jos. Young-[T]hey want a Stake there.
B. Y.[:] That pleases me-[L]et Father Cutler be the man to preside there-[T]hats the best news I ve heard since we came back-
H C. K.[:] That pleases me.
B. Y.[:] "I motion that Father Cutler go down to the Delawares with our prayer & faith"-[It was] laid over until we see Fa[the]r. Cutler-
C. H.[:] Let one man go down first.
B. Y.[: L]et Fa[the]r. Cutler go down & find out all things.
B. Y.[:] I motion that we get a list of the 70s & Hi[gh] Priests.
O. H.[:] We have withdrawn fellowship from Geo[rge] Miller, Emmett & his ch[ildren].
G. A. S.[:] "I move that we adjourn until tomorrow morning at 10 oclock." H. C. K sec[onde]d.-Carried.
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