[Minutes, Quorum of Twelve] 10 Nov[ember] 1847
Minutes of meeting 12. Hi[gh] Council & Seventies 9 AM 10 Nov[embe]r. 1847
Meeting of Twelve-Seventies & High Council & Pr[e]siding Bishops [and] high Council-
Present[:] B[righam] Y[oung], H[eber] C K[imball], O[rson] H[yde], O[rson] P[ratt]., W[illard].
R[ichards]., W[ilford]. W[oodruff]., G[eorge] A S[mith]., E[zra] T B[enson]., Joseph Young, Zera Pulsipher, R S, [Benjamin L.] Clapp, Newel K Whitney, presiding Bishop A[lpheus]. Cutler, Pres[iden]t, George W. Harris, Aaron Johnson, Zered W Cox, Levi Richards, Isaac Morley, Phinehas Richards, W[illiam] W Major, Hosea & Allan Stout, Bishop Calkins.
W W Major read the letter [from the] War department, office [of] Suter, [of the] affairs [on]
Sept[ember] 14, 1847, signed [by] W Medill, directed to Thomas H Harvey, Exq St Louis, Mo.
Certified to turn copy by John Nuller, Indian Agent.
Pres[iden]t Young said the p[eo]pl[e] /of america/ had kicked us to the very place they would not let go even [now].
Motioned [by] E[lder] G W Harris [and] second[ed] by A Cutler that this p[eo]pl[e] move on to the other side of the river.
Pres[iden]t. Young said that they had kicked us to the very place they were afraid we would go when we were driven from Far West & prohibited Bro Hyde from going among them-[N]ow they have driven us right in among us.
B Y[: I] would not be in favor of appointing a committee to take this p[eo]pl[e] over to the river & they would have continually to see to them & support them.
O H[: Peo]pl[e] have friends on the other side of the river & they can go & see to getting along with them for the next year.
B Y[: F]amilies can start from here in Sep[tembe]r or Oct[obe]r in fifties & go as far as the Black hills or the foot of the mountains & all their cattle in the ensuing spring will be beef cattle-
[G]o in the Sp[ring]. [T]he (Sioux occupy there) enough go & through up [the] building like this & be strong enough for to protect one another-[There is] plenty of feed on the streams & the Bre[thre]n. can hunt.
O Pratt motion[ed] that every man & family who can not go West go over to Iowa & settle where they please till they get an outfit.
B. Y[: T]hat settled, O H. There are many places on the other [side] that they may be located. [T]here is one place that there eventually will be a town built. [There are] water privileges [and it is a] good natural place for a town, and four streams within a mile of one another & runing down into Misqueto & as rich [a] land as the Lord ever made. [There is] extensive range for cattle summer & winter. [W]ere I going to speculate, I would not give that section of country for the claims of it for $10,000 & were a saw mill or grist mill there it would call a dense population there & I have been there in the dryest season of the year & there is water a plenty. I offered to to take you there.
B Y.[: W]hat shall be done with those who want to bring good[s] here[?]
H C K[:] I want this monoply done away with [of] only one store here & they grind, there are others that have bought $8000 worth of goods to come here & I say let them come, & competition will make the goods lower here, & I don t believe but they will be glad to sell their goods.
B Y.[:] I want 50,000 barrels of flour. & [a] thousand barrels of sugar molasses &c. [I] want all the store[s] to come here that can.
O H put is as a motion That all merchants & traders be allowed to come here if with the sanction of this Council if they put will submit to the laws of the place. (Mr. Wooley & Mr Mudge came in)
Mr Mudge said he was going down on the 1st Decem[be]r. & he wanted to know if this p[eo]pl[e] wanted him to bring up an assortment of goods for this benefit, & he wanted to bring up flour & could have it here cheaper than you could go to St Joe or Missouri to get it, [but] there was some feelings among some of the folks & I wanted to know if this council had feelings ag[ains]t. me [from] buying goods-[I] would want to know if I could get all the flour sold. Perhaps it would be a task but not an arduous one to get those names who want flour & how much they want. I can charter a boat a great deal cheaper when they are laying in the stocks in Winter than I can when they are ready to ply in the Spring-I have an equal interest with those who supply the goods & my time is equal or equivalent to the value of the goods. [T]he unpleasant feelings have existed because Mr Beach proposed to build wagons, & he told them or give them to understand that he would pay them out of the store for making the waggons. E got a promise also that no more tin ware would be brought but the tin, &c, so with the shoemakers here they think it is hard & as they say take the bread o[f]f of the mouth. Mr. Wooley made his statement.
O H[: T]he profits upon the goods is a sufficient guarrantee for not selling all as we would not be responsible as to how many is sold.
W A M felt assured that all the goods however much would be brought here [and] would be all bought & more would be wanted.
N K W-wished the goods that were necessary.
E. T. B.[:] We would want flour put up in its proper temperature to keep. [I]f it was barrelled right from the stones it would be warm & musty by 18 months.
B. Y.[: A]ll flour that the Co[mpan]y. could buy to send here would be inspected flour-as in St Louis [I]t is like all other cities [where] the flour is inspected for the New York, New Orleans, & Liverpool Markets & that would be all right.
B. Y.[:] I am perfectly satisfied with the store.
N R[:] I am perfectly expressed unto the store.
O Hyde[:] for the satisfaction of this council /Mr Mudge/, I would motion that there is no prejudice in this Council ag[ai]nst the store. [S]econded.
B Y.[: I]f there are any that have any prejudice let them speak out.
Joseph Young said that the p[eo]pl[e] in general had good feelings towards the store.
O Hyde [gave a] motion [that was] put to the house & carried.
B. Y.[: I want to] make a few remarks. In the first place with regard to this establishment [I will] tell my feelings. [I] dont want the least inducement [to] be held to any man that are not in the church but that which will be fulfilled, & thats my course. [I]f merchants come into our midst I dont want to have it [blank] upon me to bear the dishonesty of every man in the church. I dont want my Bre[thren] to go & buy goods & then selling them & defrauding their creditors [rest of page illegible]
I want other men to deal for themselves. [I]f I trust $100 or [$]1000 to any man & he runs away I am to blame only. [I]f I deal unjustly, let the blame come on me & let me be so with all in or ought of the church-[T]hey are all friends & Brethren by the ties of nature. I was pleased with Bro Majors remarks. I could almost return him a vote of thanks [for] he is liberal. [I]f the goods that were wanted had been here they would all have been sold & ten times more. [I]f there was some thousands of dollars worth of /barrels of/ flour here this winter they would be all of. I dont talk of hundreds-I want a hundred barrels myself-but I presume if 2 steamboats were loaded purely with flour they would be sold before June. [B]ut I wont pledge myself to buy a barrell or a pound, I want Mr Mudge to buy 5000 barrels & bring it here. Mr Mudge must have faith, yes, he works by faith every day, he says when he sees a man whose countenance he likes he can let him have $5-10 or [$]50 of goods, but a man whose fiz [face] he dont like he tells them & Mr Mudge as to those who write saucy letters because your course dont suit him. If you will tell me who they are I will invite the police to kick his arse over the river-[A]s to Mr Beach & his waggon concern [-] he says that he wanted that some waggons should be brought here, [but] suppose we say to England & to the islands of the sea, come here [blank] Mr Mudge if you bring [bring] $50,000 goods next here next spring & the next Spring 100,000, & the next half a million, & then that aint a begining to what we will need here. Mr. Beach says I can make waggons [for] I have the capital & there will be thousands of dollars paid out here- for waggons-Next time tell old lady Beach to buy 100 anvils-fo
r the Mormons will use anvils when mobocracy sinks to rise no more-[P]lace me here right behind the Counter. [W]ell, I see Mr Beach throw down some shawls that cost 6 bits. [W]ell, I would let him sell him. [B]ut when the p[eo]pl[e] are gone-I would tell Mr. Beach that there was 6 bits paid out for them in St Louis-
When in. Mr Wooley says well, I would be blamed for selling them at a $1. & I sell higher than Mr Beach.
B Y-If Mr. Mudge brings goods here then he is the man to sell us to them, [for] he is a partner. [T]hen as to correspondence we must have coruspen [correspondence] or I will go to St Lo other places for my goods. [T]hen if we are assured that Beach & Eddy will bring us goods & charter boats we can give him an introduction to Mr Felt in St. Louis & he can charter boats. & our p[eo]pl[e] will come with them & we can help them & they us-& our Bre[thren] will come from the East, from Michigan, New York, &c. & come on here & get their fit out at this point. I will tell you Bre[thren] that we ought to make out bills what we want-[W]ell I will want 100 barrels of flour. I want a ton of sugar. I have to send a team clear to St Joseph to get Missouri molasses, & sugar [blank]. Voted an adjournment [until] one hour 20 minutes to 1 oc[lock]. 10 Nov[embe]r 1847
Afternoon session [at] 2 P.M. Isaac Morley engaged in prayer. A[lbert] P. Rockwood present.
B. Y.[:] James Kimball has sent a request to know if he can come on this Winter. [H]e has $8000 worth of goods for this market. Motion to by E[zra]. T. Benson & seconded by A]lpheus]
Cutler that the Council write him a letter to come. [V]oted that Dr Richards write the letter to Kimball.
B. Y. says that Dany has been here & wants to know if we can send Blacksmiths, schoolteachers, farmers, & Mechanics to the Stockbridge, & Onida Indians.
H C K[:] I motion that a man be appointed to go down to that place & find out the facts of the case & report to us forthwith. Voted that fa[ther] Cutler be the man.
Capt[ai]n Caw having arrived with a letter to Pres[iden]t Young [and] begging something to eat, the letter was read & the Ottoe /Chief & family/ [were] invited in to warm.
Voted this Council dissolve.
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