Mormon History, Mar 6, 1847 (Evening)

[Brigham Young Sermon] I remarked that any one had the privilege of coming to me to ask whether or not the counsel they had received was right, and I would tell them. I stated that I knew that Brother Packer had lied to the meeting in the name of the Lord; and as to Bro. Packer's not wishing to reveal names because the guilty parties had been through the Temple I did not know of any law that required the brethren to hide the iniquity of others; and as to '"Mystic ties'" I pronounced all ties, that would cloak a man's iniquity because he is a brother, devilish ties. The Devil has got up this plan to destroy the people. Do the ties of the Masonic lodge oblige Bro. Packer to conceal the iniquity of a brother? No. There are no such ties. -- Winter Quarters, Nebraska [Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 1847- 1850. William S. Harwell, ed. CollierÂ's Publishing, 1997.:38-39]

[source: The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, Ed. Richard S. Van Wagoner, Smith-Pettit Foundation, Salt Lake City (2009)]

Mormon History, Mar 6, 1847 (Afternoon)

[Brigham Young Sermon] I informed the brethren that in relation to our movements we should be dictated by the spirit of God, and said if the brethren were humble and pliable all would be well, the best thing that could be done at present was to repair the mill dam so that the pioneers could get their grain ground. -- Winter Quarters, Nebraska [Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 1847- 1850. William S. Harwell, ed. CollierÂ's Publishing, 1997.:38]

[source: The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, Ed. Richard S. Van Wagoner, Smith-Pettit Foundation, Salt Lake City (2009)]

Mormon History, Mar 6, 1847

[Minutes, Quorum of Twelve] B[righam]. Young., W[illard] Richards., O[rson] Pratt., W[ilford]. Woodruff-H[eber]. C. Kimble [Kimball], E[zra]. T Benson.
Pres[iden]t. Young came in ab[ou]t. 20 min[utes]: past 12.
Captains reported.
E[zra]. T. Benson rose by request of Pres[ident]. Young & enquired whether it was best to make a location this side, or over the Mountains-[W]ill it not be best for the Pioneers to go where the Lord directs[?]-[W]e start like Abram not knowing where the location will be. I want my family to stay here until I know what we have to live on. [T]his Pioneer Co[mpany]. can live where Women & Children would die-I want a foundation laid-I dont bel[iev]e a person is going to be troubled with Canker who has been here 3 months.-[L]et the Pioneers go-leaving corn & Potatoes for our families.
H[eber]. C. Kimball motioned [that] to let the Lord lead us & all will be well-[S]ec[onde]d.
R[eynolds]. Cahoon[:] It is not wisdom for all this people to go-[I]t will be a good thing to go 4 or 500 miles & stay where there is plenty of timber & make a good farm-[T]hose who go in the Spring can put in a good crop of Grain-make a farm here, & next Spring they can go with Comfort-
W[illard]. Richards-wants to speak on physical & scientific principals-[A]s far as natural principles go-this is the most healthy on this River-[S]ome have Rheumatism, Canker, & I was going to say Gout-& in all the prin[ciples]: of science & common sense, the air [a]round Salt water is too pure for consumptive people-[A]ll the body of Nauvoo [Illinois] was a Slough where this people have been filled with disease. [W]here-we are approaching the mountains-which is purer Air & water-[T]he Wells are perfectly good & wholesome, if you keep them clean-[but] the River Water is best-[W]e are approaching the purer wholesome air-the moment a person approaches it-Canker & disease rise to oppose it.-[T]he principles of life is beginning to revive-[T]his is more healthy, than any Camp between here & Nauvoo or even the Battalion-& [if] we go in the sick state we now are in, to the mountains, we should drop like the Wind-[I]f I dont want to kill my family, I want [to] take them too sudden to this purer atmosphere-I am perfectly willing to leave my family, on account of their health-[S]ince we come into this region of Country-this people have worked day & night & are now weary. & by the extreme labor has made them sick-[I]f a man has exercise enough, it is enough for health-[I]f we go 5 or 600 miles to put in a crop this Spring, we are too late-[W]e have to be particular in picking our location-so as to irrigate the farm-[Y]ou can plant two acres here to one there-& two acres will produce more than 25 acres there. [T]here wont be half the trouble to protect crops here as they are there-I calculate to spend the next Winter on the other side of the Mountain-[I]f the families stay here this Season, the next Season they can go thro[ugh] the Mountains with safety-therefore will it not be best to leave them here[?]-
[S]uppose these Pioneers go thro[ugh] the Mountain-your houses are built here, & you have things prepared for them[?]-This people are worn out-that is better than to rust out-here you can turn your cattle into the Pea vines & rushes-& next Spring you can go thro[ugh] the Mountains without having a stopping place for the Devil-
Isaac Morley let the Pioneers state as soon as they can & go thro[ugh] the mountains-[I]f there s a Company here-A Co[mpany]. at the Mountains & a Co[mpany]. across the Mountains-it is weakening our hands-[T]he building [of] another city is att[ende]d. with trouble & expence.-& we ought to hear from the Pioneers-[A]s the Twelve are our leaders, let them dictate the whole concern-
B[enjamin]. Clapp[:] I do not doubt that some have prayed that the Twelve may stay until they could catch up with them-they may as well stick the stake this here /year/ as three or four years hence.
A[ddison]. Everett made a few remarks, also Willard Snow-
O[rson]. Pratt[: T]he Co[mpanie]s., after being organized, were to select families who shall go in the Spring-this rev[elatio]n. presupposes that some families shall go in the Spring-& we must choose which. [T]he men in the army will be discharged the next Summer & will push for the place where the crops will be-their families should be the first to go. [And] a few of the families will want to go-I do not think it wisdom to send on the Pioneer families this Spring-the Soldiers have been absent longer from their families than the Pioneers would be-
B[righam]. Young-I like the remarks /of every one of you./ [Y]ou l are willing to do just as I tell you-[I]f you spent a week debating, at the end of the week you d be pi [?]'take the Soldiers Women-[W]hen we get this Season to the place I shall take a Co[mpany]. & go over the mountains-I will not be hurried-but will do as I am dictated /by the Sp[irit] of the Lord/-[B]ut I will leave here & go where I can convert the Gentiles & strengthen the Brethren-[A]ny man can discern the Spirits-just do as you are told-& all will be right-[N]ow /the best thing is/ turn out the whole of you & go & fix the Mill Dam-let the officers meet here on Monday night at dark.

[source: Minutes, Quorum of Twelve]
[Minutes, Quorum of Twelve]

Mormon History, Mar 6, 1847

[Hosea Stout Diary] Saturday March 6th 1847. This morning I went and saw Br Brigham and reported to him how matters went with the Policeman after he left me to which he only replied "You will then tyle accordingly"So I went and notified the police to meet at 6 oclock this evening at Jas W. Cummings for the purpose of trying the above case.
I also attended a pioneer meeting while there Bishop Miller sent in word for more help on the mill dam as the water was rising by the melting snow and was like to brake it so all hands turned out to the dam & I to see about the police meeting. We met and had his case up. He admitted most of the accusations to be true. He done well on an average during the trial[.] His case was well handled by the Quorum and the merits of his case plainly made manifest
He was what might me called "Whipped and cleared" for he was reprimanded sharp as is customary among police in such cases, but all in the best of feelings and after the investigation was over all was well satisfied with him and if he will profit by what has passed he will do wellif not he had best leave the police before he is disgraced.
We broke up at 12.

[source: Diaries of Hosea Stout]

A Selected Chronology of Lorenzo Snow


The Priesthood / Relief Society manual Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Lorenzo Snow will be studied by Latter-day Saint men and women in 2013. In conjunction, LDS-Church-History will present a in-depth chronology of the life of Lorenzo Snow.


Lorenzo and his sister Eliza R. Snow joined the Latter Day Saints in Ohio when Joseph Smith and his followers settled near their home.  He soon became immersed in the Mormon movement, living near Kirtland, then Nauvoo, and on to Utah, with missions in between. This study will look at his rise through the hierarchy, family background, and touch on a number of items such as the origin of his famous couplet; "As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become."

Lorenzo Snow merged his intellectual abilities and compassionate outlook with his fervent religious views. As a young man, he studied Hebrew. As a new apostle, he liked to ask deep doctrinal questions of Brigham Young.  As president of the Quorum of Twelve, he believed that by achieving perfect harmony among his fellow apostles, the 2nd coming would quickly follow, with the church returning to Zion within a few years. He labored intensely to resolve tensions among his fellow apostles.

This study will also look at his visions, his quest to relieve the debt burden of the church, how he interpreted the manifesto, and other issues faced by the LDS leadership.

Aspects of his life are drawn a variety of sources including the journals of his fellow apostles. Source material is presented as is, without commentary -- allowing the sources to speak for themselves.

Each day over the coming months, several items from this chronology will be posted, providing an unparalleled look into his life. The best way to follow LDS Church History is by subscribing to one of the following:

Mormon History, Mar 6, 1847

B[righam]. Young., W[illard] Richards., O[rson] Pratt., W[ilford]. Woodruff-H[eber]. C. Kimble [Kimball], E[zra]. T Benson.
Pres[iden]t. Young came in ab[ou]t. 20 min[utes]: past 12.
Captains reported.
E[zra]. T. Benson rose by request of Pres[ident]. Young & enquired whether it was best to make a location this side, or over the Mountains-[W]ill it not be best for the Pioneers to go where the Lord directs[?]-[W]e start like Abram not knowing where the location will be. I want my family to stay here until I know what we have to live on. [T]his Pioneer Co[mpany]. can live where Women & Children would die-I want a foundation laid-I dont bel[iev]e a person is going to be troubled with Canker who has been here 3 months.-[L]et the Pioneers go-leaving corn & Potatoes for our families.
H[eber]. C. Kimball motioned [that] to let the Lord lead us & all will be well-[S]ec[onde]d.
R[eynolds]. Cahoon[:] It is not wisdom for all this people to go-[I]t will be a good thing to go 4 or 500 miles & stay where there is plenty of timber & make a good farm-[T]hose who go in the Spring can put in a good crop of Grain-make a farm here, & next Spring they can go with Comfort-
W[illard]. Richards-wants to speak on physical & scientific principals-[A]s far as natural principles go-this is the most healthy on this River-[S]ome have Rheumatism, Canker, & I was going to say Gout-& in all the prin[ciples]: of science & common sense, the air [a]round Salt water is too pure for consumptive people-[A]ll the body of Nauvoo [Illinois] was a Slough where this people have been filled with disease. [W]here-we are approaching the mountains-which is purer Air & water-[T]he Wells are perfectly good & wholesome, if you keep them clean-[but] the River Water is best-[W]e are approaching the purer wholesome air-the moment a person approaches it-Canker & disease rise to oppose it.-[T]he principles of life is beginning to revive-[T]his is more healthy, than any Camp between here & Nauvoo or even the Battalion-& [if] we go in the sick state we now are in, to the mountains, we should drop like the Wind-[I]f I dont want to kill my family, I want [to] take them too sudden to this purer atmosphere-I am perfectly willing to leave my family, on account of their health-[S]ince we come into this region of Country-this people have worked day & night & are now weary. & by the extreme labor has made them sick-[I]f a man has exercise enough, it is enough for health-[I]f we go 5 or 600 miles to put in a crop this Spring, we are too late-[W]e have to be particular in picking our location-so as to irrigate the farm-[Y]ou can plant two acres here to one there-& two acres will produce more than 25 acres there. [T]here wont be half the trouble to protect crops here as they are there-I calculate to spend the next Winter on the other side of the Mountain-[I]f the families stay here this Season, the next Season they can go thro[ugh] the Mountains with safety-therefore will it not be best to leave them here[?]-
[S]uppose these Pioneers go thro[ugh] the Mountain-your houses are built here, & you have things prepared for them[?]-This people are worn out-that is better than to rust out-here you can turn your cattle into the Pea vines & rushes-& next Spring you can go thro[ugh] the Mountains without having a stopping place for the Devil-
Isaac Morley let the Pioneers state as soon as they can & go thro[ugh] the mountains-[I]f there s a Company here-A Co[mpany]. at the Mountains & a Co[mpany]. across the Mountains-it is weakening our hands-[T]he building [of] another city is att[ende]d. with trouble & expence.-& we ought to hear from the Pioneers-[A]s the Twelve are our leaders, let them dictate the whole concern-
B[enjamin]. Clapp[:] I do not doubt that some have prayed that the Twelve may stay until they could catch up with them-they may as well stick the stake this here /year/ as three or four years hence.
A[ddison]. Everett made a few remarks, also Willard Snow-
O[rson]. Pratt[: T]he Co[mpanie]s., after being organized, were to select families who shall go in the Spring-this rev[elatio]n. presupposes that some families shall go in the Spring-& we must choose which. [T]he men in the army will be discharged the next Summer & will push for the place where the crops will be-their families should be the first to go. [And] a few of the families will want to go-I do not think it wisdom to send on the Pioneer families this Spring-the Soldiers have been absent longer from their families than the Pioneers would be-
B[righam]. Young-I like the remarks /of every one of you./ [Y]ou l are willing to do just as I tell you-[I]f you spent a week debating, at the end of the week you d be pi [?]'take the Soldiers Women-[W]hen we get this Season to the place I shall take a Co[mpany]. & go over the mountains-I will not be hurried-but will do as I am dictated /by the Sp[irit] of the Lord/-[B]ut I will leave here & go where I can convert the Gentiles & strengthen the Brethren-[A]ny man can discern the Spirits-just do as you are told-& all will be right-[N]ow /the best thing is/ turn out the whole of you & go & fix the Mill Dam-let the officers meet here on Monday night at dark.

[source: Minutes, Quorum of Twelve]

Mormon History, Mar 5, 1847

[Hosea Stout Diary] Friday March 5th 1847. The day was cold & dark & ground hard froze[.] I was around as usual and also wrote some in my Biographical history. I in the evening I went on guard and found one of the guard absent and in fact he had been reported absent more or less all winter[.] I could never find him at his post, but he was sure to be at a party or a dancing school every time. Now I thought it time to report him so I went to Richards office and finding the President there, waited till he went away and told him how it had been[.] He was aware that all was not right so he went with me to the mans house and we there learned that he was at Br P. H. Youngs to a party so we went and found him.
The day had turned warm in the after noon and the streets as a flood of mud and water and very disagreeable traveling
When we came in we were invited to join in the dance out Brigham said we had not time that he was returning for home from a council and found me, hunting some police which I could not find & he thought we would come up there and see if we could not find some here on duty & then give some more sarcastic slants at the delinquent policeman but all in a good humor.
We stoped a short time till they danced one reel and then we took a French Four and came away. He saw how matters were & gave me advice how to proceed in the case and then went home at 11 oclock and I watched the policeman untill his tour of duty was out
He staid at the party untill it broke up & came home and staid in his house a while and came out a few minutes and went back and never appeared till one and then only to go and call up his relief and then I came home
I had now proof positive in his case and intended to deal with him. No more tonight.

[Diaries of Hosea Stout]

Mormon History, Mar 5, 1847

[Apostle Wilford Woodruff Journal] [5]th I met in council with the first division. Speaches were made by several of the Brethren concerning our location here our Journey westward. President Young said he should go as he was directed by the Lord &c &c. Requested the saints to be ready to start on the 15.

[source: Wilford Woodruff's Journal: 1833-1898 Typescript, Volumes 1-9, Edited by Scott G. Kenney, Signature Books 1993, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies]

Mormon History, Mar 5, 1847

[Apostle Wilford Woodruff Journal] [5] & 6th Was spent in council & labour.

[source: Wilford Woodruff's Journal: 1833-1898 Typescript, Volumes 1-9, Edited by Scott G. Kenney, Signature Books 1993, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies]
[Wilford Woodruff's Journal: 1833-1898 Typescript, Volumes 1-9, Edited by Scott G. Kenney, Signature Books 1993, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies]

Mormon History, Friday, Mar 5, 1847.

[Apostle Willard Richards Journal] Winter Quarters. Warm, snow wasted much. Dr. [Richards] rose about noon. President had been in the office. Dr. called on Sister Callahan, who was sick, and prayed for her. Called on J. D. Lee. Dr. asked John Benbow for $15 for a few days. He had but was not sure he could get again when he wanted, etc. President Young , Benson came in the office about 8 and conversed about the emigration till 10. Wind south.

[Apostle Willard Richards Journal]

Mormon History, Thursday, Mar 4, 1847.

[Apostle Willard Richards Journal] Very pleasant morning, westerly wind, thawing fast. Geese flying northward. Dr. [Richards] came in office about 11. Brother Potter reported the four oxen drove by T. B. [Thomas Bullock] doing well and a yoke of stags, before reported dead, are alive. Dr. sowed lettuce, peppergrass, radish, turnip, onion seeds on the octagon. Made several calls. Supped with Alanson Eldridge and their wives at Brother Phinehas H. YoungÂ's in conversation and singing and left about 10:30. Dr. retired to bed soon after, but slept none till about sunrise, having read newspapers most of the night. Froze considerable this night.

[source: Apostle Willard Richards Journal]

Mormon History, Mar 4, 1847 (Thursday)

Thomas Ward, formerly president of the British mission, died in England.

[source: Jenson, Andrew, Church Chronology]

Mormon History, Mar 4, 1847

[Hosea Stout Diary] Thursday March 4th 1847. This morning I was very weak & feeble but able to go about and was engaged in looking up the public arms and colected some and in the evening went on guard awhile although still very weak.

[source: Diaries of Hosea Stout]

Mormon History, Mar 4, 1847

Ezra Taft Benson: Sealed to Eliza Perry 4 March 1847, at Council Bluffs, Iowa.

[source: Cook, Lyndon W., The Revelations of the Prophet Joseph Smith: A Historical and Biographical Commentary of the Doctrine and Covenants, Seventy's Mission Bookstore, Provo UT, 1985, http://amzn.to/RevelationsofJosephSmith]

Mormon History, Wednesday, Mar 3, 1847.

[Apostle Willard Richards Journal] Wind south, thawing fast, very sloppy. Dr. [Richards] came in office about 11, Presidents Brigham and Joseph Young a little after noon. Joseph stated that he thought 100 pounds [of] provisions very little for each pioneer. Brigham replied he wanted all to stay here who had not faith to go with that amount and wait till they had faith enough. Brother Benson and G. A. Smith called. T. B. [Thomas Bullock] arranging papers and documents for 1846. Three flocks of swans, about 50 in number, flew up the River northwards during the day. Many men employed in the Mill Dam. The high priests had a party in the council house. Dr. left the party on 4th about half past 2, same time as President Young.

[source: Apostle Willard Richards Journal]

Mormon History, Mar 3, 1847

[Hosea Stout Diary] Wednesday March 3rd 1847. To day I was uncommonly sick with the headache and could not set up long enough to dress my self & had to send Allen to arrainge the guard.

[source: Diaries of Hosea Stout]

Mormon History, Mar 3, 1847

In reply to his brother, Joseph Young's doubts that "one hundred pounds of provisions" were enough for each pioneer, Brigham Young says, "I did not want any to go who had not faith to start with that amount." This optimistic viewpoint is borne out on the initial trek west but later leads to disaster with the Martin Handcart Company.

[source: Advent Adam website (defunct) - based on http://amzn.to/originsofpower]

Mormon History, Mar 3, 1847

[Apostle Wilford Woodruff Journal] 3d & 4th I spent the most of the time preparing things for my Journey.

[source: Wilford Woodruff's Journal: 1833-1898 Typescript, Volumes 1-9, Edited by Scott G. Kenney, Signature Books 1993, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies]

Mormon History, Tuesday, Mar 2, 1847.

[Apostle Willard Richards Journal] T. B. [Thomas Bullock] went home and to bed, afflicted with rheumatic pains. Dr. [Richards] sick in bed, got up at quarter past 3 and came in office. In evening went to the Â"PoliceÂ" Dance. E. T. Benson called about 1 p.m. Thawing, northwest wind, mild, nights frosty. Many men at work in the Mill Dam.

[source: Apostle Willard Richards Journal]

Mormon History, Mar 2, 1847

[Hosea Stout Diary] Tuesday March 2nd 1847. Was at home untill one oclock and then went with my wife to the council house to our police party. It was an uncomly beautiful clear warm and pleasant day
We had the Police, Twelve & Band present, and enjoyed ourselves uncommonly will by dancing, talking, eating sweet cakes &c, and some little preaching and about had the old Police dance called "President Marks return to Mormonism" which I may describe some time. I preached a loud sermon on real Mormonism
About Eleven oclock P. M. my wife not being very well came home, and I returned to the party again and tarried three oclock A. M. when we broke up. And we all came home[.] It is almost unnecessary to say that the Twelve seemed to enjoy themselves well.

[source: Diaries of Hosea Stout]